A Blog For Thelma Todd
Thelma Todd was a star of silent movies and later the talkies. She is remembered as much today for her mysterious death as she is for her films. In this blog, we take a look at Thelma Todd, her movies, and various commentaries.
Fan magazine features movie star photos with gag captions. There are a couple of pictures of Thelma Todd in there.
Caption appears to be "The girl who shortened her dress just to please her boy friend, narrates Thelma, was certainly the type who'd go to any length to please the one she loved."
TCM is having a Marx Brothers marathon today. The two movies that Thelma Todd made with them, MONKEY BUSINESS and HORSE FEATHERS, will be run with the rest of the Marx Brothers' movies.
The girl at lower left is presumably represents Thelma Todd.
Foreign poster for SPEAK EASILY
While the blonde could be Thelma Todd, she appears to be one of a line of dancers, who in the movie were all other girls.
French poster for THE BOHEMIAN GIRL, Thelma Todd's last movie.
This foreign poster appears to have a caricature of Thelma Todd as well as Laurel and Hardy. I doubt if they used any posters that showed Thelma Todd for the US release.
This contract was being offered for sale by RR Auctions, as mentioned in the "Marx Brothers Council of Facebook". It has to do with the movies they made with Thelma Todd, MONKEY BUSINESS and HORSE FEATHERS.
DS, signed by all four brothers using their full legal signatures, three pages of a four page document, 8.5 x 11, April 6, 1962. Agreement between Groucho, Harpo, Zeppo, and Gummo and Paramount Pictures concerning the release of the estate of Chico Marx from a 1930 contract involving the Marx Brothers and re-releases of Monkey Business and Horse Feathers, as well as a cash payout of a total of $38,500.00 divided between the brothers, Chico’s two wives, and a law firm. Signed on the last two pages, “Julius H. (Groucho) Marx,” “Arthur Harpo Marx,” “Herbert Zeppo Marx,” “Mary DiVitha Marx,” “Betty Marx,” and “Gummo Marx.” Second page missing, mild toning, expected document wear, and uniform fading to typed text, otherwise fine condition. Horse Feathers, in which the brothers satirized the American College system and Prohibition, was one of their most popular films, and landed the brothers on the cover of Time magazine. Chico Marx, the oldest of the five, had passed away on October 11, 1961, last appearing with the Marx Brothers in the 1950 film Love Happy.
Michael HaydeIf nothing else, this proves Maxine Marx was correct that the
Brothers' Paramount contract (at least this two-picture one) was a participation deal. And I suspect this settlement had little to do with Paramount's original creative accounting, but rather was to legally clear the decks because the films were being (or had been) sold to MCA period.
The film revolves around college football and a game between the fictional Darwin and Huxley Colleges. (Thomas Henry Huxley was a defender of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.) Many of the jokes about the amateur status of collegiate football players and how eligibility rules are stretched by collegiate athletic departments remain remarkably current.[4] Groucho plays Quincy Adams Wagstaff, the new president of Huxley College, and Zeppo is his son Frank, who convinces his father to recruit professional football players to help Huxley's team. There are also many references to Prohibition. Baravelli (Chico) is an "iceman", who delivers ice and bootleg liquor from a local speakeasy. Pinky (Harpo) is also an "iceman", and a part-time dogcatcher. Through a series of misunderstandings, Baravelli and Pinky are recruited to play on Huxley's football team; this requires them to enroll as students at Huxley, which creates chaos throughout the school.
The climax of the movie, often referenced as one of the greatest football-related scenes in movie history,[5] includes the four protagonists winning the football game by taking the ball into the end zone in a horse-drawn garbage wagon that Pinky rides like a chariot. A picture of the brothers in the "chariot" near the end of the film made the cover of TIME in 1932.[6]
The film prominently features the song "Everyone Says I Love You", by Bert Kalmar and Harry Ruby. (This song was later the title song of the eponymous 1996 Woody Allen movie. All four brothers perform the song, almost every time as a serenade to Connie Bailey. Zeppo leads with a "straight" verse:
Everyone says I love you
The cop on the corner and the burglar too
The preacher in the pulpit and the man in the pew
Says I love you.
Harpo whistles it once to his horse, and later plays it on the harp to serenade Miss Bailey. Chico sings a comic verse, with his standard fake Italian accent, while playing piano:
Everyone says I love you
The great big mosquito when-a he sting you
The fly when he gets stuck on the flypaper too
Says I love you.
Groucho sings a sarcastic verse, sitting in a canoe strumming a guitar as Miss Bailey rows. This is in line with his suspicions about the college widow's intentions throughout the film.
Everyone says I love you
But just what they say it for I never knew
It's just inviting trouble for the poor sucker who
Says I love you.
Notable scenes
In the opening number Wagstaff and a group of college professors sing and dance in full academic robes and mortarboard hats:
I don't care what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway;
Whatever it is, I'm against it!
A later scene features Baravelli guarding the speakeasy and Wagstaff trying to get in. The password for entry is "Swordfish". This sequence degenerates into a series of puns:
Wagstaff: I got it! Haddock. Baravelli: 'At's a-funny, I got a haddock too. Wagstaff: What do you take for a haddock? Baravelli: Sometimes I take an aspirin, sometimes I take a calomel. Wagstaff: I'd walk a mile for a calomel. Baravelli: You mean chocolate calomel? I like-a that too, but you no guess it.
At the door, Pinky is also asked the password. He responds by pulling a fish from his coat and sticking a small sword down its throat.
Later Wagstaff and Baravelli debate the cost of ice. Wagstaff argues that his bill should be much smaller than it is:
Baravelli: I make you proposition. You owe us $200, we take $2000 and we call it square. Wagstaff: That's not a bad idea. I tell you ... I'll consult my lawyer. And if he advises me to do it, I'll get a new lawyer.
Baravelli: Last week, for eighteen dollars, I gotta co-ed with two pair o' pants. Wagstaff: Since when has a co-ed got two pair of pants? Baravelli: Since I joined the college.
A notable scene taken from the earlier revue Fun in Hi Skule consists of the brothers disrupting an anatomy class.[3] The professor asks for a student to explain the symptoms of cirrhosis. Baravelli obliges:
Sure, So roses are red
So violets are blue
So sugar is sweet
So so are you.
The professor protests that his facts are in order: Baravelli and Pinky bear him out. Wagstaff takes over the class and continues the lecture.
Wagstaff: Let us follow a corpuscle on its journey... Now then, baboons, what is a corpuscle? Baravelli: That's easy! First is a captain... then a lieutenant... then is a corpuscle! Wagstaff: That's fine. Why don't you bore a hole in yourself and let the sap run out?
A little later, Wagstaff advises Pinky that he can't burn the candle at both ends. Pinky then reaches into his trenchcoat, and pulls out a candle burning at both ends.
Foreshadowing the "stateroom" scene from A Night at the Opera, all four Marx brothers and the main antagonist take turns going in and out of Connie Bailey's room, and eventually their movements pile up on each other, resulting in a crowded, bustling scene, notable both by Groucho's breaking of the fourth wall during Chico's piano solo, and his constant opening of his umbrella and removing his shoes upon entering the room.
Eventually, Pinky and Baravelli are sent to kidnap two of the rival college's star players to prevent them from playing in the big game. The intended victims (who are much larger men than Pinky and Baravelli) manage to kidnap the pair instead, removing their outer clothing and locking them in a room. In order to escape, Pinky and Baravelli saw their way out through the floor. The saws came from a tool bag Pinky carried with them that held their kidnappers' tools, which included, among other things, rope, chisels, hammers and at one point, a small pig. This is an example of the surreal edge of Marx Brothers humor.
One direct example of that influence occurs in the speakeasy scene. Two men are playing cards, and one says to the other, "cut the cards". Pinky happens to walk by at that moment, pulls a hatchet out of his trenchcoat and chops the deck in half. This none-too-subtle gag, which was recycled from the brothers' first Broadway show, I'll Say She Is (1924), would be repeated by Curly Howard against Moe Howard in The Three Stooges' short Ants in the Pantry (1936), and by Bugs Bunny in Bugs Bunny Rides Again (1948).
A term that occurs often in Horse Feathers, but may not be familiar to modern viewers, is college widow. The somewhat derogatory term referred to a woman who stays in college after graduation in order to find a husband.[7] It is used to describe Connie Bailey. Such women were considered "easy". Miss Bailey is shown to be involved with each of the characters played by the Brothers, as well as the principal antagonist Jennings.
At one point during the climactic football game, Wagstaff exclaims, "Jumping anaconda!" This probablyalludes to the notorious stock market performance of Anaconda Copper immediately preceding the Great Depression.[8] All of the Marx Brothers had experienced severe losses in the Wall Street Crash of 1929. Groucho had delivered other jokes related to the stock market in the Brothers' preceding films (for example, "The stockholder of yesteryear is the stowaway of today" in Monkey Business).
Missing sequences
In this now lost, deleted scene from Horse Feathers, the Marx Brothers are seen playing poker as Huxley College goes up in flames around them
The only existing prints of this film are missing several minutes, due to both censorship and damage. The damage is most noticeable in jump cuts during the scene in which Groucho, Chico and Harpo visit Connie Bailey's apartment.
Connie: Baravelli, you overcome me.
Baravelli: All right, but remember—it was your idea.
Several sequences were cut from the film, including an extended ending to the apartment scene, additional scenes with Pinky as a dogcatcher, and a sequence where the brothers play poker as the college burns down. (A description of the latter scene still exists in a pressbook from the year of the film's release, along with a still photograph.)[7] The 15 August 1932 Time Magazine review of the film[9] says of Harpo in the speakeasy scene, "He bowls grapefruit at bottles on the bar." This joke is also missing from the current print.
HORSE FEATHERS was a college movie, a genre which Harold Lloyd had explored back in the silent era, and which was still very popular in the thirties. Lyda Roberti made one, so did Patsy Kelly, and so would Martha Raye.
You were supposed to think Thelma Todd was a vamp ( and therefore one of the bad guys ) in this one, same as a lot of other movies, which of course was typecasting. But here Thelma Todd ends up with the good guys, which is unusual where they have her primarily as one of the bad guys in a movie.
Groucho Marx would later claim that Thelma Todd couldn't swim and almost drowned in the scene where she was in the water and he threw her a piece of "lifesaver" candy. But history tells us that Thelma Todd did know how to swim. The problem might have been that she couldn't swim very in a dress.
Thelma Todd had been put to work with the Marx Brothers after they came to Hollywood, but this was her last movie with them, as well as the second to the last movie they made at Paramount. But after DUCK SOUP they went to MGM, which would have been considered a step up in the world. There woud be other movies after that, and later they would work on television.
Here is the cover of TIME they were on.
This is the guy that doesn't get the girl. I'll give you a hint who gets the girl in this picture: They all have names that end with "o" like Mager's monks.
The Great Big Comfy Couch
The great big comfy grouch.
Everybody wants ta get inta da act!
Thelma Todd and Harpo Marx showing that their haristyles are similar.
But though he plays a harp, Harpo doesn't have a halo.
THE COMIC MIND by Gerald Mast
A book originally published in 1973 contained a story that Thelma Todd in HORSEFEATHERS was parodying Jean Harlow in DINNER AT EIGHT, specifically that her beauty mark and "baby talk" were because of Jean Harlow in that movie.
Jean Harlow
DINNER AT EIGHT actually was made in 1933, the year after HORSE FEATHERS.
The beauty mark was something that was kind of archaic even at that time, but was still being worn by some of the glamour girls in this period, including Joan Blondell. Marilyn Monroe would later continue the tradition.
The "baby talk" was also something Thelma Todd had also used in SPEAK EASILY. It possibly could be related to the Helen Kane/Betty Boop phenomena, but did not originate with Jean Harlow.
